Thursday, August 03, 2006



Blogger michael loya said...

movie: quinceanera

when soon-to-be-15-years-old magdalena becomes pregnant, the news stirs up a lot of drama within her mexican-american church-going family.

(this is, of course, only recommended to those "paganos" who go to movie theatres.)

2:55 PM  
Blogger Tito R. said...

Is this a real movie?
Sounds like something we would have tried to act out @ LABI

8:51 PM  
Blogger michael loya said...

yup. it's a movie. did you check out the link? won quite a few awards.
tito, i'll be watching "v for vendetta" soon. heard anything about it? i've heard nothing but rave reviews.

9:52 AM  
Blogger Ralph Perez said...

The movie looks good. Looks like it's shot in Corpus, with people from Corpus. One of those guys looks like my cousin.

11:28 AM  
Blogger michael loya said...

it was filmed in falex's new home.
"e.p.", the letters that the mexican guy teaches the british dude to "stack" at the beginning of the trailer stand for "echo park" a.k.a. "echo parque," a gang and a neighborhood in east los angeles.
i just read more on the film and it keeps getting great reviews.

2:08 PM  
Blogger Tito R. said...

Yeah I saw "V for Vendetta" it was a good movie. It had some other political overtones, that I'm sure you'll notice right away. Overall good movie. Leaves you with something to talk about.

11:46 AM  
Blogger ~Melisa~ said...

Any other recommended movies?

10:22 AM  
Blogger michael loya said...

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10:41 AM  
Blogger michael loya said...

oh my....
folks, let me retract what i said about the movie 'quinceanera.'

a friend of mine from austin sent me a review of the movie and it's come to my awareness that there are themes and values pushed in this movie that i do not support.

by no means am i telling you to avoid seeing this movie;
i just don't want you to think that i was *promoting* it.

i've only seen the trailer and it did not depict the many controversial issues addressed in the movie.

so, watch it if you want; but don't think that i was promoting it, ok?

thanks for your understanding, my buddies.

10:43 AM  
Anonymous art said...

Do any of you know why the tradition of quenceanera takes place? I have heard that having a quenceanera was the beggining of a Mexican girl who was ready for marriage. Is this true? or is there more to this story. Can you quenceanera experts respond.

11:50 AM  

Well, according to my former pastor Jose Portillo Quinceañeras is an Aztec tradition that they use to sacrifice the girls to the gods or offer them to the differente man as a sign that they were not little girls anymore. Due to this belive he stopped celebrating Quinceañeras at church and it caused lots of controversy....

4:48 PM  
Blogger michael loya said...

funny that your former pastor would assume his historical account of the etiology of quinceaneras is accurate
in light of the fact that quinceaneras are celebrated in SPAIN and throughout most of latin america, even in countries *with no aztec or indigenous heritage.*

5:55 PM  
Blogger falex said...

maybe that explains why he's the "former " pastor......or not. mexicans are crazy.
best part of a quinceanera: cumbia!!!

1:58 AM  
Anonymous Art said...

So Mike, what does it represent? Why 15? Why such a huge celebration. We just had a young lady celebreate her quenceanera and her parent must of dished out around 10 grand.

11:25 AM  
Blogger Ralph Perez said...


12:51 PM  
Blogger michael loya said...

everyone has their own take on history.
if you were to "google" quinceanera, you would find as many different historical accounts for this celebration as their are corns on tito's toes.

so being the deconstructionist that i am, i'll forgo the "historical account" answer, and just stick with my worthless opinion.

so here it is:

'15' is just an arbitrary number.

there is no innate significance in it, just as there is no innate significance in the number 16, or 13, or 18, or 4, etc.
WE GIVE numbers meaning; numbers mean whatever we want them to mean.

have you ever wondered why someone is considered "legal" when they turn '18'?
well, there is no real reason. it's just a number arbitrarily picked to draw the line between late adolescence and adulthood.

not to sound like a conspiracist, but, as marx said, the people at the top with all the power and money are the ones who decide these kinds of "rules" and practices for we little townspeople.

some celebrate their 'sweet 16' others celebrate their quinceanera.
all of this this addresses the over-all, bigger question of the relevancy of modern day cultural practices: "why do we do the things we do?"
many times, the answer is "b/c that's the way it's always been done."

my mom got mad at me once after she sneezed and i didn't follow-up with a "bless you."
she just looked at me and said, "well, that was rude."
and i said, "WHAT was rude?"
she said, "well, you didn't say anything."
"about what?" i asked.
"i sneezed! do you not say anything after people sneeze?!"


2:37 PM  
Anonymous Art said...

I remembered when some dude sneezed in front of me and it stunk, so I didn't say anything. I just walked away holding my breath.

9:51 AM  
Blogger michael loya said...

that's interesting, though kind of gross...what did it stink like?

1:07 PM  
Anonymous Arthur Lopez said...

It smelled like badd breaf in a mist of saliva.

10:39 PM  
Blogger michael loya said...

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11:41 PM  
Blogger michael loya said...

a while back, i recall you mentioning that a particular gentleman's dorm room smelled like "gorrillas in the midst."

some did not hear you correctly and thought you said, "gorillas in the MIX."

could you please explain which was the correct term and what you meant by it?

11:46 PM  
Anonymous art said...

Well the term "Gorillas in the Midst" was used to describe the smell of the Gorilla habitat at the zoo.

10:03 AM  
Blogger michael loya said...

ah, i see. so it was a rather "gamey" odor lurking in this gentleman's room....

and what of the other resident's rooms?

12:25 PM  
Blogger michael loya said...

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2:19 PM  
Blogger michael loya said...

have any of you seen,
"talladega nights: the ballad of ricky bobby"?

i heard it was HIL-ARIOUS.
wil ferrell just flat-out rules.

of course, being from the midwest, i'm around the nascar culture more than you "texicans," so this flick probably has more appeal to me....

2:23 PM  
Blogger falex said...

Talladega Nights-

"Dear Lord Baby Jesus in a manger"....
this movie is freakin' funny. i was laughin' out loud thru the whole movie. you gotta watch it!
i recommend it!

2:41 AM  
Blogger Laura said...

you guys make me laugh...about the quincienera ...would there be a book that can explain this concept? I shall look for it in NetLibrary- a free online library that allows you to search for books and view them!!! check it out!

8:45 PM  
Blogger michael loya said...

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9:22 PM  
Blogger michael loya said...

laurita, are you dating anyone? you're very "marketable," you know. i think i know of someone who might be interested....

10:43 PM  
Blogger Laura said...


blind dates don't work for me...neither do set ups- believe me...I am just waiting for everything to fall into place naturally---thanks for thinking of me though!

8:17 PM  
Blogger michael loya said...

aww, laurita, sorry...
a certain someone (one of your secret admirers you might say) asked me to "look into it." ;o)

4:29 PM  
Blogger Laura said...

why does there always have to be a secret admirer that I never find out about?????

7:18 PM  
Blogger michael loya said...

maybe you're not making yourself approachable....
perhaps if you gave your secret admirers a reason to "come out," more would....

8:15 PM  
Blogger Laura said...

I will just drop the subject now, michael- I don't know where all of this unapproachable stuff guys get is way beyond my understanding!

9:15 PM  
Blogger michael loya said...

i'm just messin' with you, laura.
;o) lol!

9:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well the etiology the Quinceañera is not definite but the former pastor has some of the right idea however, there are no historical references to a sacrifice being made of the girls. The word "Quinceañera" comes from the Spanish words "quince" for fifteen and "años", which means "years". Although every culture has certain rites of passage, the Hispanic community especially values the Quinceañera celebrations because traditionally it represented her commitment to the church as well as her segue into adulthood. The celebration is a way to acknowledge that a young woman has reached sexual maturity and is thus of a marriageable age.

The transition from childhood to womanhood is a significant passage for adolescent girls in almost all cultures. Quinceañera celebrations are unique to Latin American culture. Some think it grew out of ancient Aztec and Mayan coming-of-age rituals; others think the Spanish and French conquerors brought over debutante ball and royal court presentation practices, which were adopted by the native peoples. For example, some credit Carlota, the Austrian empress of Mexico, with introducing the royal court customs to Mexican society. How the tradition spread through the rest of Latin America is unclear, but it did!

European influences are obvious, even though Quinceañera don't take place there. Some Quinceañera terms and practices seem to be taken directly from the royal courts of Europe, including the court of honor, coronations, scepters and choreographed waltzes. But debutante balls and royal court presentations lack the religious aspect that Quinceañera stress. It is most likely that Quinceañera grew out of a blending of Old and New World traditions.
According to Bernardino de Sahagun, in his chronicle Historia de Nueva España, it was traditional for the parents of a young Aztec maiden to formally acknowledge her passage into womanhood. This included a stern but tender exhortation to observe acceptable modes of behavior. For a full English translation of the passage "Advice of an Aztec Mother to her Daughter" see William H. Prescott's The Conquest of Mexico.
Women were brought up exclusively for bearing children and obeying their husband. They were taught such skills for survival and maintaining a home as cooking, weaving and housework. Most of these girls married by the age of 15 or 16 and considered the society experts in domestic endeavors. Those girls belonging to wealthy families were sent to a temple or school to be trained as priestesses prior to marriage.

When the Spanish conquered the Aztecs in 1521 and both native and catholic traditions came together, the age of 15 became a time of decision for young women. By this time, the Spanish has imposed their religion on the Aztecs and destroyed the Aztec religion and lifestyle. The young Quinceañera was required to make a choice: to devote her life to the church or to marry.
The blending of the Aztec and Spanish cultures - the knowledge of how to dance and play music were vital skills to the Spanish - and this essence of musical celebration and spirit has continued into today's time honored Hispanic Quinceañera celebration. Although today's Quinceañera celebration is still partially religious, it is still seen as a symbolic step of her passage from girlhood into the responsibilities of young adulthood and is always a festive occasion.
The most important component of the celebration is invariably a Misa de acción de gracias (thanksgiving Mass). The birthday girl arrives decked out in a fancy full-length dress - frills, pastel tones and matching hats or headdresses prevail. Flanked by her parents and padrinos (godparents), she is specially seated at the foot of the altar throughout the service. She may be accompanied by up to seven damas (maids of honor) and as many chambelanes (chamberlains), selected from among close family and friends.
At the end of the mass younger sisters, cousins and friends pass out bolos (commemorative favors) to those in attendance, while the Quinceañera deposits her bouquet on the altar or in a niche honoring the Virgin Mary, most often that of the ubiquitous Virgen de Guadalupe.
The Quinceañera traditionally has the option of further celebrating the occasion with either a viaje (journey) or a fiesta (birthday bash). While a trip to Paris and other European destinations was once the rage among the well-heeled, nowadays young women of all social strata generally opt for the party, complete with live band music. The degree of opulence of the event is directly related to the economic means of the girl's parents and godparents.
Urbanites frequently lease banquet halls for the dance, while village folks are more inclined to set up rented folding tables and chairs in a freshly cleared and swept huerta (orchard) or corral. To cover the multiple expenses, a host of padrinos and madrinas may be invited to sponsor, respectively, the dress, the music, the locale, the bar, the cake and the table favors.
While raucous banda, cumbia, and salsa tunes tend dominate throughout the event, the culminating moment comes when the festejada (celebrant) and her number-one chambelán (escort) dance to a traditional waltz. Other indispensable highlights include a customary toast and the cutting of a multi-tiered birthday cake. Dripping in meringue frosting and decorated in hues to match the Quinceañeras dress, the cake may be of such monumental proportions that the door leading into the party locale must be removed from it hinges to accommodate it!
Regardless of how the tradition originated, regardless of the relentless onslaught of gringo culture prevalent today, the celebration of the Quinceañera remains as one of the rites of passage that keeps the bonds of the Mexican family firmly cemented. Its fancy frills and frosting abide as rich ingredients for a niñas sweet dreams.

I hope all you beaners learned something here.

9:44 PM  
Blogger michael loya said...

thank you for this stroll down wikipedia lane, partner,
but you're about a year behind with this.

we're on to more current topics now, such as my nose job and tito's mole.

9:08 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You mean septoplasty, which is surgery to straighten the septum; a "nose job" would be rhinoplasty. Please sir try to use the correct terminology. I'm sure the error was due to the medication and not of your own volition.

Moles are growths on the skin that are usually brown or black. Moles can appear anywhere on the skin, alone or in groups.

Most moles appear in early childhood and during the first 20 years of a person's life. Some moles may not appear until later in life. It is normal to have between 10-40 moles by adulthood.

As the years pass, moles usually change slowly, becoming raised and/or changing color. Often, hairs develop on the mole. Some moles may not change at all, while others may slowly disappear over time.

9:26 PM  
Blogger michael loya said...

mole: any of various mexican sauces for meat or poultry, typically made with chilies, tomatoes, spices, and ground nuts; esp., such a sauce containing bitter chocolate.

mole: any of the various small, burrowing insectivores with small eyes and ears, shovel-like forefeet, and soft fur: moles live mainly undergound.

there are several more meanings for the word "mole."

we, mr. anonymous, have been referring to the latter meaning. NOT, a spot on tito's body.

would love to stay and chat, but i've got to go irrigate my nose now.
i tell ya, getting through this nose job of mine has been a bugger!

10:01 PM  
Blogger Tito R. said...

Well, this has been "fun". Can you guys talk about something a bit more interesting next time. Enjoyed the banter, just do it somewhere else.
Anonymous, don't be scared to let us know who you are. We'll only make fun of you for a little bit.

11:57 AM  

Oh my Lord!!! Who did a research paper on Quinceañeras??? By the way Michael I hope that you are feeling better. And yes, anasthesia sucks. I had two surgeries this past summer and it sucked!!!

7:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

excuse me "mr" oh no you didn't just call me "mr"

7:09 PM  
Blogger michael loya said...

i had my nose cast and splints removed today. it seems to have healed up pretty nicely, thank God.

however, it's so swollen that it looks like i have a balloon in the middle of my face.

how wonderful.

8:07 PM  
Blogger michael loya said...

hey, all y'all little puerto ricans and mexicans and whateverelseans better check this flick out, because YOU MAY BE NEXT.

5:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Looks interesting when will it be available outside of New York?

This sound like it would be good also or at least an outreach like the “Passion…” a few years ago.

11:02 PM  
Blogger michael loya said...

huh??? did you see the trailer?

12:11 AM  
Blogger michael loya said...

hey, y'all, craig gross of is coming to speak at my church this sunday.

if you haven't heard of you've probably been living under a rock for the last 7 years.

11:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"save the kittens" please i love kitties, i have two cats so please everyone "save the kittens"

11:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One of my brothers showed me the video on his ipod. I thought it has hilarious. Hey everyone has their place and everyone has to be reached even pornstars and so do the millions of people even in church that are addicted to porn. If x3church reaches them God bless them.

12:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

By the way the outreach part was for the nativity movie. oops guess i left it out.

12:21 AM  
Blogger RevQuila said...

Can someone provide me Rev. Orlando Lopez's email address

9:34 AM  
Blogger michael loya said...

hey, rev quila!
i suggest you start looking elsewhere if you haven't gotten orlie's email address by now.
doesn't look like you're having much luck here, buddy.

9:02 PM  
Blogger michael loya said...


12:07 PM  
Blogger Tito R. said...

Vote!!!? Who really does that, I mean common.......nobody!

Just kidding, I voted.
Have you guys ever wondered why at the end of a news cast they tell you to have a good evening, after they just finished telling you nothing but bad news.

9:01 AM  
Blogger Laura said...

I hear you, Tito...I call my local news puro chisme!

10:22 PM  
Blogger michael loya said...


b.a. is gorgeous, one of the liveliest places i've ever seen.
the people are beautiful and the food is spectacular.

last night i went running downtown at palermo park, just minutes away from where we're staying. the park spans about 9-10 city blocks. though it was 10pm there were literally thousands of health nuts, runners, walkers, soccer players, dog walkers, tourists, live street bands, etc. all sucking the marrow out of life!
this place never sleeps.

there are cafes and restaurants every where you turn ready to serve you up some coffee that's strong enough to put some hair on your chest with some "media lunas" (we know them better as "croussants").

their european ancestry is obvious in more ways than one. many of the "portenos" are blue and green eyed.
culturaly speaking, "portenos" are also very european.
wine is served with every meal. even the poor people have "vino de mesa," a cheaper wine that comes in larger 80oz green, glass jars.
their food largely consists of breads and beef and vegetables.
hardly anything is fried! this may partially explain why many argentine are thin.
walk down any street at any time of the day and you'll see people dressed as though they're going to a fashion show.
though it has recently suffered economically, the argentine do a GREAT job in hiding their poverty.

well, could email more, but i got to run now. evita's grave awaits me!

tonight, the lady and i will be traveling to cordoba to visit her grandma and childhood friends.

we've got one more week in argentina and i feel that it's too short.


visit buenos aires whenever you can. this place is spectacular.

1:31 PM  
Blogger Ralph Perez said...

HAPPY THANKSGIVING from Corpus Christi!

Last night I ate more left over turkey with my family. The table is just seconds away from our living room. Though it was 10:30PM, there was standing room only as people who couldn't care less about their health scooped mashed potatoes, poured gravy, nibbled on turkey legs and sucked the flavor out of the dressing.

The Mexican ancestry is obvious in more ways than one. Most of the family ate turkey in tortillas just off the stove, and of course, they added chile!

"Soda" (pronounced "sotha") is served with every meal and can be any one of a number of different carbonated beverages. Aside from the traditional turkey meal at Thanksgiving, the food cooked in my home consists of mostly meat, usually browned in oil and made with gravy. Every meal includes tortillas, rice and beans. This may partially explain why many of the people in my home are NOT thin.

Walk down any street in Corpus and you'll see people dressed as if they're going to work in their yard.

Most Hispanics in Corpus have been suffering an economic depression their entire lives and do very bad at hiding their poverty.

I'd love to email more but tonight I'll be meeting some of my friends in the alley.

I've got one more week in Corpus and I feel that it's way to long!

Visit Corpus only if you have to! It's hot and humid and smells like fish.

By the way, the description you have just read is pure satire and does not reflect my views of my home town. I love you Mike!

7:48 PM  
Blogger michael loya said...

ralph, you silly!
wow, you had to have taken alot of time studying my letter!

in b.a. again. the trip to cordoba went well, gracias a Dios.
we're leaving tomorrow (wed 29th) back to the states.

we've got a few more things to do today, though: tango show (oh yes!), calle florida, shop till we drop (it like it's hot) and eat, eat, eat!

adios, chiquitos!

1:59 PM  
Blogger michael loya said...

alrighty, kids. this is it.
today, wed nov 29, is our last day in buenos aires. boo! hiss!

we'll be heading back to the states at 11pm tonight (that's 9pm your time).

we'll be talking to some of you soon.

love you dearly, chiquitos.


10:35 AM  
Blogger michael loya said...

well, to our surprise, we are back in springfield home and dry.
the midwest greeted us with a healthy dose of vicious, wintry weather.

my wife and i drove from st louis to springfield in the middle of a snow storm. we were the only nuts out there except for a car or 2 and lots of 18 wheelers.
God must really love me and/or my wife b/c, relatively speaking, it was a smooth trip. there were several 18 wheeler accidents on the way home, and the usual 3.5 hr trip took us a whopping 8 HOURS!!!
we left stl at 5:30 and arrive at 1am!!! nuts....

but i love the snow. i actually prefer it over warm, tropical climates.
and we got 8 inches of it on the ground this a.m., so i had to thank God for welcoming me back home with one of my fave things in the world.
snow is especially breathtaking at night.

ok, got to get back to work b4 they fire me.

love y'all.
talk to some of you later.

1:58 PM  
Anonymous Art said...

Welcome Back welcome back welcome back

1:22 AM  
Blogger michael loya said...

thanks, art.
it's good to have you back, too, my dearest friend.
glad to hear you got the phone situation squared away. i was starting to worry there....

mike jones

9:39 AM  
Blogger michael loya said...

i would just like to remind my labi family that:


anytime you drop your mint chocolate chip ice cream scoop on the floor, or maybe even your 6oz ribeye steak, or perhaps you spill your glass of diet dr. pepper on the ground,
simply remind yourself of this timeless, truthful, little axiom.


rest in that knowledge.

thank you.

2:51 PM  
Anonymous Art said...

The Lord made blunt too, and you don't see me smoking it.

3:28 PM  
Blogger Tito R. said...

mike!!! Welcom back bro. The pics are real nice. Hopefully we will be able to take a trip like that soon.
Art, why you got to bring drugs into this. Always over the top with you. ha ha.
Talk to you all later. Peace.

6:58 PM  
Blogger michael loya said...

art, you bring to us yet another timeless gem of truth:


8:07 PM  
Blogger Ralph Perez said...

That can't be a timeless truth. It doesn't rhyme.

12:48 PM  
Blogger michael loya said...

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4:49 PM  
Blogger michael loya said...

perhaps the following term revision will qualify said axiom as a timeless gem of truth:

your growth.

discuss amongst yourselves.

4:50 PM  
Anonymous orlando lopez said...

OK... it's been ages since I've visited the blog but by popular demand.... here it is.....

We love you guys. Keep us in your prayers as we are still adjusting after the move...

11:12 AM  
Blogger LABI- Center of the Universe said...

hey, ladies and gents!

mena and i will be heading to AR tonight (friday dec 22) to spend the weekend with the family.

we pray you have a happy Christmas and a peaceful new year!

by the way, if you haven't sent me any of your pix...DO IT NOW!


love you dearly.

1:59 PM  
Blogger michael loya said...

ooops--"labi-cntr of the univ" was actually me, michael loyer.

in AR now with the family; eating way too much, but having fun.

MERRY CHRISTMAS & a prosperous new yr to ALL Y'ALL LABI'ers.

1:29 AM  
Blogger michael loya said...

OMG. that new apple iphone is SICK.
[sobbing profusely] I WANT ONE!!!!

9:00 PM  
Blogger Ralph Perez said...

I'm not an IPOD person. I like the blackjack. Unfortunately, the best PDA phone Sprint carries is the Treo which I already have. Either I switch to a carrier with inferior service to get a cooler phone or I stick with the Treo till something better comes out for Sprint.

8:33 AM  
Blogger michael loya said...

you don't have to be an "ipod person" to understand that,
*as of now,* nothing out on the market can compete with the iphone.

it squashes the competiton pretty shamefully in every category (web navigation, music, email, video, photos, etc.)-hands down.
(objective data here.)

of course, i *am* an apple person; hopefully in a few months, to my mac/apple collection i'll be adding an iphone!

you can find some amazing CBS footage of the iphone at

10:59 AM  
Blogger michael loya said...

9:10 PM  
Blogger Ralph Perez said...

I was going to flag that video as inappropriate because that phone is freakin' sick!!! I have to admit Mike, I'm pretty impressed. I don't know about not having buttons though! I'm constantly wiping my Treo's screen because the fingerprints I leave on it gross me out. As for everything else, the iphone seems amazing.

1:23 PM  
Blogger michael loya said...

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2:10 PM  
Blogger michael loya said...

eeew, gross. you must have a greasy face. perhaps you should try clinique's liquid facial soap for oily skin. it's a nice salve that comes in various aroma-therapeutic scents.

touch screens are the way of the future, my man. buttons are for clothing.

2:17 PM  
Blogger Ralph Perez said...

Ok Mike, to be absolutely honest, I was completely blown away by the iphone! I'm not going to switch to Cingular just to have it but I did go out and pick up an IPOD this weekend. Any special tricks I should know?

9:56 AM  
Blogger michael loya said...

which ipod?

btw, folks, the ice storm that demolished the midwest did take our power out for 48hrs; but we are fine now. thanks for asking.

which ipod, ralph?

11:04 AM  
Blogger Ralph Perez said...


11:31 AM  
Blogger michael loya said...

ooh, nice, ralph.
you got the good one.
you'll love it.

30gs+ can double as an external hardrive; you can download school papers, maps, articles, cheat sheets, etc.

2:31 PM  
Blogger Ralph Perez said...

If you live in the following areas: Valley, Dallas/Ft. Worth, El Paso, Amarillo, Tyler, Lamesa and Abilene and you'd like a little extra cash in your pocket, the attorney I work for has some work in those areas. We need people who are bilingual and organized. You do not have to have a legal background. The work will involve a couple of hours on the weekends or evenings. You can make your schedule. If you are interested, shoot me an email at I'll explain the details.

11:10 AM  
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10:19 AM  
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10:27 AM  
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10:28 AM  
Blogger michael loya said...

aw, man. have y'all heard of the 8 million dollar maybach exelero?

what in the world? are they freakin' serious?

with all that's going on in the world today--
poverty, civil war in sudan, the congo, germ infested water and the AIDS epidemic in africa, cooperational greed, downsizing, exploitation of 3rd world labor, the ever-increasing gap between the world's rich and poor, war, the vanishing of america's middle class, soaring of gas prices, demographic & economic geographical shifts brought upon by hurricane katrina, global wamring, half the world living in abject poverty, a struggling american public school system, 20something % of americans living without healthcare, etc., etc., etc.--
WHO, *honestly,* in good conscience, could/would buy purchase something like this?

what a shame!
couldn't we think of better ways to spend our money?

i don't think this is what the Bible and Jesus is talking about when they speak of being a good steward of your money.
being a 'good steward' is *more* than just paying your tithes.

yeah, that's right. i AM hating.
i'm a playa hata. AND?!

4:03 PM  
Blogger michael loya said...

i'm so upset by the 8 million dollar exelero/greed that i ain't even gonna buy me an iphone anymore!

4:04 PM  
Blogger Ralph Perez said...

Sure you're not!!!!

10:07 AM  
Blogger michael loya said...

shut it.

hey, ralph, have you seen 'babel' yet?

11:31 AM  
Blogger Ralph Perez said...

Nope. Was it good?

12:17 PM  
Blogger michael loya said...

the lady and i will be watching it tonight.
won the golden globe for best motion picture, right?

12:33 PM  
Blogger Ralph Perez said...

I have a question about your 8 million dollar car....

Is it bad if Bill Gates buys the car? He does plenty of charity work and let's say for argument's sake he pays his tithe, offering and even given sister Isela something for missions? Can he buy the car and still be a good steward of his money?

Isn't a person who has so much credit card debt that he can't afford to give to missions (but finds a way to still play golf on the weekend) a worse steward of his money?

Just wondering...

11:25 PM  
Blogger michael loya said...

absolutely it'd still be bad.

it's not a question of ability;
it's a question of RESPONSABILITY.

as an old professor of mine once said, "whatever makes more spiritual common sense."

12:39 PM  
Blogger Ralph Perez said...

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8:09 PM  
Blogger Ralph Perez said...

Who decides what makes more spiritual common sense?

If I'm understanding correctly, whether I'm a good steward of my money should be judged on the price of the things I purchase?

8:12 PM  
Blogger michael loya said...

attempting to define "spiritual common sense" would be as futile as attemtping to define such terms as "love," "happiness," "holiness," etc.
people usually fall short when trying to place parameters around these kinds of spiritual, subjective and fluid ideas/terms.

however, giving "extreme" examples might help us better understand what is meant by spiritual common sense.

after the ice storm wrecked its havoc upon the midwest, our church decided to house people who had lost power in their homes.

putting up 15-20 families for the week in a church running off generators did not make economic sense--the church actually lost money putting this many people up for soo long.

it didn't make practical sense either--many a church staff were inconvenienced as they had to rotate shifts all week supervising the ice storm "refugees."

however, it did make spiritual common sense--at it's lowest, common denominator the principle at work here was 'the golden rule.'
(do unto others....)

so which made more spiritual sense? a) help the ice storm refugees or
b) not
the answer is obvious.

we run into the same problem of semantics when talking about being a "good steward" of one's money.
who/what determines what constitutes a "good steward?"

for me, the answer is very personal and i would not at all expect for others to live according to my standards.

(however, this does not mean that i do not speak up when i see something that i deem as fiscally irresponsible, unjust or immoral.)

so my personal take is that purchasing an 8million dollar vehicle for oneself--multi-billionaire or not--fiscally irresponsible and socially and spiritually unwise.

again, this is not something that i can "prove" or something that i can quantitatively support. nor do i believe this to be a universal standard for everyone else to follow.
as i mentioned before, such spiritual concepts are inherantly subjective and therefore will differ in how we each play them out in our lives.

the most recent example of how this plays itself out in my life (for with what measure yet meet...)is that lately i've honestly been asking myself if i should forgo the iphone and give the remaining $300 to victory mission down the road.

now i could try to defend myself the way you defended mr. gates.
i could say, "but i volunteer at vm's trade school teaching a conflict resolution course 2xs a year! i could in good conscience get myself that phone!"

however, pulling out my 500$ iphone in front of those guys is not only dangerous, it's also very inconsiderate and, most of all, pretentious. some of those guys don't even have enough money to by themselves a pair of tube socks.

again, i don't expect for everyone to agree with me.
this is a personal endeavour that i'm trying to live out in my day-to-day life with God's help.

gotta go "mi mis."

g'night, ya little wippersnapper.

10:39 PM  
Blogger Ralph Perez said...

Well said Mike, I still don't think that I can agree that Bill Gates' purchase (for arguments sake) of the Exelero can be viewed as "immoral" but I do understand your point and I think it's a valid one.

And just a quick post script...While you don't need my permission, if you can afford the phone, GET IT!!!

10:55 AM  
Blogger michael loya said...

purchasing an 8million dollar vehicle falls into the same category as rolling around town in a gas-guzzling hummer just b/c you can and it's fun and cool.

said behavior may not be immoral.
i don't think anyone will have to stand before God and give an account as to why they opted for the h2 over a schwinn;
or why they drove their car to work during the ice storm instead of walking.

what i'm arguing is that said behavior is socially irresponsible.

what with all that's going on with the world's natural resources, i see it as my Christian duty to try to curb this destructive wave that is stripping our earth of it's finite resources.

i'd rather save money and help curb america's dependency on foreign and domestic oil than be mr. cool breeze rollin' in my "humma."

again, not everyone will agree with me and this is ok.

as i mentioned before, this is my personal conviction that i am trying to live out daily with the help of God.

in my endeavour,
will i contradict myself? everyday.
will i give in to my fleshly desire to consume more and more worldy posessions? absolutely.

but this is by no means a justification not to pragmatically do what i can to help people, the earth and die to myself daily.

11:51 AM  
Blogger Ralph Perez said...

How was the movie?

8:13 AM  
Blogger michael loya said...

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10:26 AM  
Blogger michael loya said...

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10:30 AM  
Blogger michael loya said...

***** for success!

'babel' was INTENSE.

my wife and i walked out of the movie theatre feeling physically drained almost. we didn't know if it was b/c we were coming out of a long work week, or if the movie was really that emotionally charged.

on the ride home mena was awfully quiet so i asked her if she was ok.
she just looked at me with this blank stare and said, "i'm still thiking about what happened in that movie." i had to laugh.
i was like, "are you gonna make it there, tiger? or should i drop you by the e.r.?" she said, "you might have to...that movie gave me tremors."

the theme of 'babel' is pretty poignant:
loneliness and humanity's inability to give and receive love.

despite modern advances in communication technology, we are talking "passed" each other and noone is connecting (hence the name 'babel').
people are crying out for love but ironically we're lonelier now then we've ever been.

intense real-life situations, edge-of-your-seat suspense, unexpected turns, and a killer cast - 'babel' is one of the best films ever made.

along with 'little miss sunshine,' 'babel' was one of the best films i saw in 2006.

if you see it, be ready to ride an emotional roller coaster.

come on ride a train!
and ride it!
ooo-e! ooo-e!

10:42 AM  
Blogger Ralph Perez said...

Thanks Ebert!


11:41 AM  
Blogger michael loya said...

day nada, roeper.

hey, have you seen the movie, 'the king' with gael garcia bernal? it takes place in chorpus crispy, tx.

2:35 PM  
Blogger Ralph Perez said...

Hey Mike, and anyone else who is interested in politics. Just wanted to get your opinion on Barack Obama and his views on politics and religion.

Check out the clip when you have 45 minutes to spare.

6:20 PM  
Blogger michael loya said...

i like him. the prez of our seminary likes him too. i'll send you an article he wrote on barack; his opinion pretty much expresses mine.

on another political note,

11:38 AM  
Blogger Ralph Perez said...

Where's my article?

12:19 AM  
Blogger michael loya said...

at your momma's house!
ha ha! ooh, dang.
just's not really there.

what's your email address?

10:31 AM  
Blogger Ralph Perez said... but don't give it to anyone else

11:16 AM  
Blogger michael loya said...

give yourself 3 mins to watch this.
it's quite fascinating.

5:26 PM  
Blogger Ralph Perez said...

That was awesome, and you have too much time on your hands!

1:59 PM  
Blogger michael loya said...

he's the beat boxing champion of the world. lives in the uk and beat the american champ last year in an international competition.

i only wish i had mad skillz like that. sigh. oh well.

12:40 AM  
Blogger Ralph Perez said...

I wish I had that big mixer to his right. I'd make a lot of tortillas and sell them out of a little trailer attached to the back of my truck!

9:53 AM  
Blogger michael loya said...

hey, y'all!
chaco and rosa are visiting us this weekend!
woo hoo!
we're planning on showing them a great time while they're up here.

8:28 PM  
Blogger Ralph Perez said...

So how was the big weekend with old friends?

10:04 AM  
Blogger michael loya said...

we had such a blast that it was difficult for us to see it come to an end.
apparently, chaco didn't have enough, though, because he's coming back up on monday!
hooo dee hooo! what!

2:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi all. My name's Priscilla. Can only LABI alumni participate?? I grew up A/G, so is that enough? Ya'lls posts are pretty interesting.

2:52 AM  
Blogger michael loya said...

Movie: "Fast Food Nation"
Go rent it now.

10:21 PM  
Blogger Ralph Perez said...

Sorry for Mike's rude manners Priscilla. Sometimes his mind races so fast, all of the words don't come out. What he meant was, "Yes you can participate, but first you must go rent Fast Food Nation."

5:50 PM  
Blogger michael loya said...

Movie: "Fast Food Nation"
Go rent it now.

9:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For those of you who subscribe to podcasts, check out the Catalyst Podcast on Itunes.

3:19 PM  
Blogger michael said...

10:27 PM  
Blogger michael said...

so a mexican is the 2nd wealthiest person on planet earth.
and to think his country is one of the most economically stratified counties on the planet.

11:13 PM  
Blogger Ralph Perez said...

Who is this Mexican you speak of?

10:24 AM  
Blogger michael said...

uh, carlos slim, i think is his name. just do a yahoo news search on him and you'll see.
he's literally just a couple of millions away from de-throning mr. gates.
he's the ceo of a tv and cell phone co.
perhaps this gives insight into these pathetic stats:
90% of mexico's money is owned by only 10% of the population.

i wish mr. slim (shady) would by me an iphone this june.

hola, senor slim. mi nombre es michael y soy mexicano nacido en los estados unidos. usted eres muy rico, y muy gordo, y fello, y tambien muy "evil," pero eso no tiene nada que hacer con lo que quiero preguntarle.
no mas quiero saber si, por favor, me puedes comprar una ytelefono.
muchas gracias, you greedy, capitalist fascist pig.
ay! perdon!

6:53 PM  
Blogger Ralph Perez said...

I've got a question Mike. Did you have any shin splint issues when you first started running? I just started doing more than my weekly racquetball match and the shin splints have pretty much sidelined me. I've already found plenty of info on the internet so I guess I'm looking for some personal advice.

7:20 PM  
Blogger michael said...

dude, you'll just have to wait it out. or, as the hip-hop song says, "walk it out, walk it out!"

do you do too much too soon?
what i mean is, do you go from doing no/little physical excercise to doing too much?
that's usually when i get them.

but the good news is that, theoretically, they are not considered long-term injuries.
iow, once you "walk it out, walk it out" you'll be alright.

hang it there, kid.
you'll be good in a few days. just take it e-z and don't overload yourself too fast.
think: INCRAMENTS. (sp?)

10:51 AM  
Blogger Ralph Perez said...

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2:04 PM  
Blogger Ralph Perez said...

I'm doing some ankle exercises and biking. I'm going to try and run a little later in the week. Thanks Mike.

2:05 PM  
Blogger michael said...

the wife and i will be heading to abilene early monday morn.
we'll be there until wednesday for my grandfather's funeral.
tito, if you're still there, call me.

2:03 AM  
Blogger Ralph Perez said...

Sorry to hear about your grandfather. My grandpa died this past summer. He was 95! I'll be praying for you and your family Mike.

3:36 PM  
Blogger michael said...

thanks, ralph.
we're back and all went well, thank God.

9:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

is this the michael and ralph blog???

this blog SUCKS!!

7:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It doesn't suck. It bites...get it straight.

11:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lol! Just kidding, guys. Love you all.

3:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Uhh...anonymous did not put "Lol! Just kidding, guys. Love you all. Whom ever put that please do not pretend to be me.

Numb nutt.

9:24 PM  
Blogger Tito said...

How long has it actually been since anyone has been on here. I lost my account and just got it back tonight. Anybody out there. 08/31/2007

8:37 PM  
Blogger Mario Escobedo II said...

Hey, tito. I just checked on the blog tonight, but i haven't been by in a long while.- mario 9-1-07

12:08 AM  
Anonymous Art said...

Don't worry we still love you.

11:30 AM  

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